Post by Rik Wallin on Apr 5, 2007 12:39:28 GMT -6
From: walkea@vccnorthc.its.rpi.edu (Alexander Walker)
Subject: Re: Desire and attraction
Date: 24 Nov 1993 22:39:39 GMT
> During a recent thread I noticed several references to "desire" as
> something distasteful or kind of unspiritual. This puzzled me just
> a bit. I have always considered attraction to be a basic principle
> of the universe, hady for things like keeping your future food
> within reach. Desire then occurs when you decide you really want
> the thing you are attracted to.
I'm not exactly sure which posting your refering to, but the way I see
the concept of desire is three fold:
1. Desire, Mundane: In my book not really desire, it deals
with the feelings of needing to do a number of administrative actions:
eating, mailing that letter, sleeping, things involved generally with
ones life style. In magick, many would say, these actions should take
on a spiritual meaning in the doer to make them Willed actions. This
is the idea of putting all that one is and has into the Great Work.
2. Desire, Lustful: This is commonly reckognized by many
(including all those people whoes teachings I respect) to be
absolutely antagonistic to ones spirituality. Lustful desire is the
tumultous type of desire that perpetuates many personal illusions
dealing with what one thinks their Will is. In following lust instead
of True Will, much pain is caused and inspires one to further, but
more pessimistic and deceptive, lust.
3. Desire, True Will: Again I think this is not really desire.
I would place desire closer to #2. But the True Will is that course
in existence which is what one is truly designed for (not in the sense
that most people would define as fate). When lusts are quieted and
intuition is followed, this Will often manifests, in my experience, as
finding an act, system, thought, view, idea, proffession, etc, that
fills a gaping hole whoes existence one had felt but never before
realized was there. The "genius" is usually freed by following the
True Will. And one could then find themselves doing something they
had no experience in (nor an ability in, in similar areas) with a
skill and grace rarely seen amongst the best of its most e nced
amateurs.
Needless to say, finding and following one's True Will
comprises much of the spiritual path and thus anything that keeps one
from so doing is antagonistic to spirituality. Thus, if one defines
desire closer to that of lust, then indeed, desire is "something
distasteful or kind of [kind of? more like very!] unspiritual".
Khabs Am Pekht, Alexander Walker
Subject: Re: Desire and attraction
Date: 24 Nov 1993 22:39:39 GMT
> During a recent thread I noticed several references to "desire" as
> something distasteful or kind of unspiritual. This puzzled me just
> a bit. I have always considered attraction to be a basic principle
> of the universe, hady for things like keeping your future food
> within reach. Desire then occurs when you decide you really want
> the thing you are attracted to.
I'm not exactly sure which posting your refering to, but the way I see
the concept of desire is three fold:
1. Desire, Mundane: In my book not really desire, it deals
with the feelings of needing to do a number of administrative actions:
eating, mailing that letter, sleeping, things involved generally with
ones life style. In magick, many would say, these actions should take
on a spiritual meaning in the doer to make them Willed actions. This
is the idea of putting all that one is and has into the Great Work.
2. Desire, Lustful: This is commonly reckognized by many
(including all those people whoes teachings I respect) to be
absolutely antagonistic to ones spirituality. Lustful desire is the
tumultous type of desire that perpetuates many personal illusions
dealing with what one thinks their Will is. In following lust instead
of True Will, much pain is caused and inspires one to further, but
more pessimistic and deceptive, lust.
3. Desire, True Will: Again I think this is not really desire.
I would place desire closer to #2. But the True Will is that course
in existence which is what one is truly designed for (not in the sense
that most people would define as fate). When lusts are quieted and
intuition is followed, this Will often manifests, in my experience, as
finding an act, system, thought, view, idea, proffession, etc, that
fills a gaping hole whoes existence one had felt but never before
realized was there. The "genius" is usually freed by following the
True Will. And one could then find themselves doing something they
had no experience in (nor an ability in, in similar areas) with a
skill and grace rarely seen amongst the best of its most e nced
amateurs.
Needless to say, finding and following one's True Will
comprises much of the spiritual path and thus anything that keeps one
from so doing is antagonistic to spirituality. Thus, if one defines
desire closer to that of lust, then indeed, desire is "something
distasteful or kind of [kind of? more like very!] unspiritual".
Khabs Am Pekht, Alexander Walker